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Android and the false promises of openness

h39 Oct 2011 –  Comments (239)

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To preface, I want to say the I agree with many of your concerns towards Android applications and the security settings they request from the operating system. That being said you have made a few comments that I feel need to be corrected.

Primarily I believe you are mistaken in where you are pointing your frustration towards the inability to perform tasks such as remove an application from your Android phone. The reason you are unable to do this is not due to a lack of control or freedom over the operating system itself; in reality the functionality is being taken away from you by the vendor of your Android phone.

Due to the amount of freedom allowed by the Android operating system a phone vendor has the freedom to manipulate and create their own version of the operating system and distribute that to their customers. It is that redistribution of a now-manipulated operating system, one that has revoked the ability to remove an application, that is frustrating you.

To summarize, you are using an Android operating system that (due to the freedom allowed by Android) a company has chosen to remove functionality from. Therefore your complaint is with your vendor, not with Android as a whole.

-BrokenRadix

[] BrokenRadix ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 5:40 p.m.

P.S: I believe you made a note on reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/l66al/android_and_the_false_promises_of_openness/) about rooting one's device and the legality of it. You stated,

"You must root your device, something that void your warranty and will most likely be illegal soon"

I wanted to inform you that the Electronic Frontier Foundation has successfully pushed to make rooting your Android phone legal in the United States, which has the potential to set a powerful legal precedent internationally.

-BrokenRadix

[] BrokenRadix ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 5:44 p.m.

To summarize, you are using an Android operating system that (due to the freedom allowed by Android) a company has chosen to remove functionality from. Therefore your complaint is with your vendor, not with Android as a whole.

I have to agree that my carrier is more to blame than Google or Android. After all, the facebook app isn't in the android source tree. It was introduced and locked in by my carrier.

My grippe is more about Android being touted left and right as a the first Open mobile platform while when it reaches the end user it's been locked by the carrier.

But indeed, my diatribe should have been more targeted to my carrier.

I wanted to inform you that the Electronic Frontier Foundation has successfully pushed to make rooting your Android phone legal in the United States, which has the potential to set a powerful legal precedent internationally.

I know. But I also know that carriers aren't happy with this decision and they will do whatever they can to make it hard or illegal for their customers to root their phone, either with technical or legal means (ex. with lobbying).

[] h3 ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 9:31 p.m.

I suspect the Android source licensing terms allow carriers to close-source their customized distributions and that's what is causing this kind of problem.

[] Krish Ashok ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 1:24 a.m.

Interestingly enough, iOS doesn't have this problem. There is no bloatware installed by default.

[] Vishnu Gopal ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 2:42 a.m.

What you are experiencing is not Google or Android's fault. It is the fault of your phone's manufacturer, because you buy a phone from a company it means that they have the self-given right to add bloat-ware, just like when you buy a PC from a brand.

If you want a completely clean Android system, there is literally nothing stopping you from grabbing the source code, looking at it, learning from it, changing it, compiling it and distributing it. That, and that alone is what defines open software.

[] Jack Arleth ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 3:46 a.m.

@Vishnu: iOS isn't open. Not even close. Not even a bit. I think I'd run out of space in this textbox before I finished enumerating the ways iOS isn't open.

[] Corbin ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 3:48 a.m.

This has gotten som attention on Reddit and HN. Which only proves that aggregating channels doesn't work. Due to the fact provided by BrokenRadix above, I think that this whole article (and especially its title) is based on a crucial factual error, and should be updated to replace "Android" with the name of your mobile phone manufacturer. This to prevent casting a shadow on Android as a platform which, in this case, has nothing to do with your concerns. I have a default (non-rooted) Nexus S and was in fact able to uninstall the Facebook app right now. I installed the FB app again, and was properly asked about permission to access my data.

[] azoapes ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 3:58 a.m.

It's worse.

On my Android (A Motorola Milestone), "low space" means you can no longer receive SMS messages (Persumably becuase there is no space left to store them).

You need to free quite a lot of space just to get rid of this message...

[] Nimrod ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 4:37 a.m.

It is still because of a problem with Android. I mean the android licensing.

[] Shibu ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 5:05 a.m.

@Krish Ashok: I'd love to get rid of Stocks, Game Center, YouTube, Weather, and other assorted apps that I never use and will never use.

[] JohnQPasserby ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 5:14 a.m.

It's very convenient to blame the device maker in this argument as it continues to support the position that Google is blameless and Android is open. Neither is entirely true.

Google should stipulate that this sort of modification to Android is out of bounds. Google should mandate that the user is always in control of the install apps.

Google leveraged their dominance in the web advertising to start to build a mobile OS that would presumably help them become the dominate mobile OS provider. Google, the advertising company, wants to collect your data (arguably anonymously) to further power it's advertising engine. Your basic needs as a user are second to that. Your primary interface for user issues is your carrier who also has to answer to the device maker, not Google. If that's what open is to YOU, so be it.

[] Jim ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 5:15 a.m.

Are you sure rooting your phone voids your warranty? I'm not sure about Canadian consumer laws but that sounds dubious, to say the least. Even if that's what the phone manufacturer tells you they may need to honor warranties anyway. (Also, you could just un-root it before sending it in.)

You really need to have administrative capabilities if there should be any point of using an open operating system. One step further is to use an openly developed firmware such as Cyanogen but that's probably even more problematic warranty-wise. I can recommend it however.

[] Jonas ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 6:57 a.m.

@Jim Google can't stop manufacturers (or anyone) from doing what they want with Android source, it's freely available to anyone (you might say that is it open?).

Google is not open, and devices made by third parties are not open, but Android is open.

If you want to buy an ugly open source hardware phone or tablet, do it. Then checkout Android, and compile it for a few hours. Then you get the fun job of debugging everything until it works (yay, more compilations and all sorts of driver fiddling I have no idea about!). After all that fuss you still won't have the Google licensed software (G-mail, calendar, market etc) so you have to steal that from somewhere on the internet...

The alternative is to buy a Nexus phone direct from Google, they will still be keeping tabs on you but that's why god invented tinfoil. If you get any other non "vanilla" Android phone, unfortunately you lose the right to complain about open because it isn't really Android any more. Too many fingers were stuck in the pie before you got to take a bite and now its gross.

[] Sam ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 7:20 a.m.

The Nexus One is built to Google specs --so it isn't an ordinary Android phone-- if your phone doesn't let you delete Facebook, it's not the carrier or manufacturer that set that restriction, it's Goigle.

[] Huxley ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 8:13 a.m.

You can always change the ROM and install CyanogenMod. The best ROM for Android ever created. Using Open Source software you have the freedom to change every single bit in the device and the software that runs in the device. Changing those things results in voiding the warranty and that is because Google cannot handle what people do with their devices!

[] Saleh ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 10:23 a.m.

Bryan sounds like a pro state troll :))

[] Justin ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 10:36 a.m.

There is much more about Android that does not meet open source definitions than having to root your phone to get rid of apps. 1. They don't provide all of the source and never have. In the case of Honeycomb they provide none. 2. They allow no contributions to the source.
3. The handset manufacturers and carriers dictate what is on the phone and interface. Google doesn't care. 4. Saying all you have to do is root your phone and violate your warranty is ludicrous. Thats fanboy territory there.

Android is the most closed "open source" project in history. Google doesnt care about anything but sending you ads and monetizing your activity. You are the product. You are not the customer.

But hey you can get a smartphone really cheap or even free so i guess that makes it worth all the above..

[] darwin ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 10:53 a.m.

Nexus 1 = "Pure Android"

[] ThejHamel ~ 2 years, 9 months ago at 11:45 a.m.

I cant uninstall it on my phone either. wtf?

This is really disappointing. Especially that i like Google :-(

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